- DHS and ICE were created during my lifetime. I don't have to imagine a world without them, I can just remember it.
- "Abolish the Police and then what?" while infantile and often asked in bad faith, is at least, on some levels, a real question "Ablish ICE and then what?" Is not a real question. Clearly if ICE didn't exist tomorrow society would just objectively be more peaceful and would not in any way fall apart
